Places Where Maybe the Westside Starts

Highly controversial. Where is the line? I wish we could vote on list items!
  1. The 405
    I say this because I'm old school and the westside starts where the 405 and the 10 cross, in west la. The westside by my definition includes Santa Monica, venice, the marina, the palisades, Malibu and maybe MAYBE parts of bev hills.
  2. La brea/fairfax
    People who moved here in the last 5 years seem to say this. I get it but think they're wrong because how can west hollywood suddenly be in the same category as venice?
  3. Western
    I've heard people say this. It seems preposterous.